I've been in software now for 20 years. Over that time my views on outsourcing have really evolved. For the first few years, I was ambivalent; the issue was largely theoretical; I didn't know anyone using an outsource provider and I didn't know anyone whose job went offshore. Then in 1995, while at HP, I saw my first use of outsourcing. My initial reaction, like many, went from casual curiosity to visceral rejection; I did not like the idea that my profession could be commoditized. Little changed for me until in 2004, when I went back to school for an MBA at MIT. At MIT, they tell you that the experience will change you in ways you do not expect, and this was certainly one that I could not have predicted. While at school, I met more people from more countries than I had previously known in my entire life. The experience, the classes, and the one-on-one discussions made me question my views on globalization to the point that I chose to join an outsourcing company after graduation.
When I started, the CEO walked me through a presentation he had that talked about the cultural differences between Indians and Americans. The presentation was developed from the Indian perspective for Indians to understand Americans and I remember thinking how novel that was. It was like looking through someone else's eyes. I had to open my mind a bit to take it in and it has stuck with me ever since. Over the last 4 years, I've used his presentation as a reference to help better understanding the people I work with.
It turns out that the presentation was a summary of the work done by Geert Hofstede. The presentation I saw talked about four categories of cultural differences but I'll extend this to the five categories that Hofstede now uses. These include Power Distance, Individualism, Masculinity, Uncertainty Avoidance and Long Term Orientation. There is a lot to this, so I'll break it into a few posts and start with Power Distance.
Power Distance refers to the unequal distribution of power in society and how people feel about the inequality that it creates. The index is measured on a scale from 1 to 100 and India scored a 77 while the US scored a 40 highlighting a significant difference between the two societies. The caste system, strong paternalism, and the autocratic nature of the Indian society creates massive swings between the haves and the have-nots and it has for thousands of years.
My take on this is that the caste system provides a level playing field within a caste, and creates a natural division of labor between castes. Indian's perceive people of a different caste as inherently different and therefore support the notion that the inequality that the hierarchy creates is a good thing. When visiting India for the first time, I was surprised by the number of poor 'untouchables' living in squalor throughout the city. What amazed me more was when I learned that many of these people were servants, janitors, grounds crew and peons within companies like mine. By day they work in the office as unseen helpers and at night, they live in squalor. Most everyone in the office has a cook, a maid and potentially a driver, and these people are from the lowest (or below the lowest) caste. I can remember giving my left over Rupees to an old woman in front of the office who was sweeping the sidewalk. It couldn't have been more than $10. I was with a friend from the office and he looked bewildered and asked if I was trying to get her killed? I was surprised by how caring this guy could be in the office, and yet how little he could feel for this woman, but of course, he's lived there his whole life and this is the social norm. I was the one looking at it from a different view point.
Being raised in a hierarchical society also means that personal rank within the organization is very important. Seniority within the company and years of experience in your field really matter (think paternal). There is a natural assumption that you'll get more money and more recognition from tenure than contribution. The staff constantly compares their title and salary to their peers. They know where they rank on tenure and experience and they expect their salary and title to reflect this. To compensate for this you need to have a lot of titles. We had13 positions between a Fresher and a Vice President of Technology. Rewarding personal achievement in this kind of environment can be a real challenge. In the US you might give a raise to an employee for personal achievement. In India, when you do this, everyone finds out and you have to readjust all the salaries or face a mutiny for you've violated their cultural norm.
India is also very paternalistic; children are raised to be very obedient and to revere their parents. Talk to anyone from India and you can easily sense this when talking about their parents; they hold them in such high regard they can’t help but brag. Similarly, teachers are thought of very highly. Rather than focus on independent thought, they teach conformity; adherence to collective wisdom. These two factors really influence management within an Indian company. Managers act both autocratically and paternalistically. They feel it is their job to be the benevolent decision makers. They are responsible for the staff and therefore they will make the decisions for them. The staff, on the other hand, is very reluctant to disagree or challenge their supervisors. This creates real challenges. For example, I can remember seeing obvious mistakes in an important spreadsheet that was put together by a senior executive. Though the mistakes were innocent, they changed the results by an order of magnitude and the finance team never questioned them. They assumed the exec had more knowledge about the matter and therefore didn't think that they should question the numbers. The important takeaway here is that you really have to encourage the staff to think independently and to question and challenge leadership if they feel they could be wrong. You have to go out of your way to make sure people speak up for their natural tendency will be to remain quite.
Another side affect of the high esteem for teachers is that in India, being micromanagement is thought of in a positive way, rather than the negative way it is seen in the US. The one-on-one time is seen as a reward, like when a teacher spends extra time with the best students. The flip side of this is that without a strong sense of independent thought, and with a preference toward micromanagement, projects management and customer collaboration from the US have to rely on frequent communication and oversight; never worry about over communicating.
So the takeaways here should be that we are very different as a society in our tolerance for inequality. In the US we feel people are relatively equal and India they feel people are vastly different. In the US, managers look for support from their reports, and expect pushback from the staff when they are wrong. In India, managers are the decision makers and the staff is very reluctant to question them. Micromanagement in the US is seen as a negative and in India it is seen as a positive. To be successful, you can't assume your American viewpoint is correct, you have to assume it is simply different and accept the India culture. If you assume they will eventually conform to your ways, you'll be in for long, failed experience. If you try to understand that there are fundamental difference in our history and our upbringing, and you use this knowledge to collaborate, you'll find success.
I've seen a good reference to Geert Hofstede's work is at Clearly Cultural.
Thursday, June 4, 2009
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7 comments:
Hi Brian,
Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts. I am an Indian and working in India in an organization whose parent company is American owned.I understand your views but I sinceerely feel that the scene in organizations here in India is changing gradually.I think, people are now aiming towards a blend of individualism and paternalistic approach.
Thanks,
Sameer
Hi Brian,
I totally agree with your comments. I have lived and worked in India, England, US, as well as in Canada. I am a Canadian citizen. There are numerous criticisms with regards to the casteism (including my own) in LinkedIn. One may question about the ethnic attacks elsewhere or ill-treatment in other countries. The fact of the matter is, Indians DO treat other Indians differently within India. That being said, you would agree with me the fact, this, in fact is a generalized statement. The fact that caste system still prevails in India let me question myself: how far we are tolerant ourselves in treating fellow Indians or to accept constructive criticisms and the willingness to change. In the current scenario, the caste system is a deep-rooted evil, fueled by both by political and religious faculties. This could be almost similar to the situation elsewhere in which either politics and/or religion plays the decisive roles on behalf of its people.
With regards to the work culture, even in early 80's I have worked with range of management personalities (from micromanaging types to who treated respectfully and worked collaboratively). Coming back to your question, was this a fundamental difference in upbringing or looking for an excuse and the reluctance to change? We are able to keep up with the technology and developments and within no time we would be able to change ourselves and utilized the opportunities and let alone lead in certain areas of technology. However, when comes to these issues, we have to apologetically give an answer that people want to hear - how incapable we are in changing ourselves? If at all, one has to wait for the Government to change the system, which administration has the courage do make such change? How long one must wait for that to happen?
Hi Brian ,
I agree with your views and also feel that because of this attitude we dont have creativity in our society . I am just hoping that American companies should not tolerate managers who try to act smart and yet are incompetant . They should bring American methods and ways which reward creativity and by doing so they will do a lot of good for Indian society .Please , please deal ruthlessly with incompetance and reward creativity and competance.
Brian, I am really enjoy your blogs.
I work (in Canada) as a Business Analyst and find the comments and ideas helpful, enlightening and relevant. I communicate in a office space with people of many cultures. It's raised my awareness of how if can affect work projects, particularly, for me,the software development process.
As a consultant who has had the awful experience of being acquired by an Indian outsourcing firm, I do not support you in your peace-love-and-joy tra-la-la. What you are doing here is very obviously avoiding sounding like a racist. You know you aren't curious about India, you're mad that you sold out and went to work for them. Here's the deal: its not a race issue. Its an issue with globalization. And as much as globalization has been touted as One Love, the realities are far from it. Its wrecking economies as we have seen for the past year. We have 16 million Americans unemployed. Why do you think that is? The globalization model has consequences my friend. I'd stick to reality.
Very interesting information.
My first perception of working with Indians was positive. I felt Americans were simply scared because so many more qualified Indians were now competing for the same positions and requiring less compensation.
It wasn't long before I realized that I as an American was being treated as a lesser caste.
I found my Indian and Pakistani co-workers to be very rude on unwilling to share any of their knowledge.
They felt they had to learn everything on their own and therefore I should too.
Success was not measured as a team but only as individuals.
More recently the Software firm I was working for was bought out by an Indian Outsourcing company. Management saw fit to terminate almost everyone and expect customers to spend more for less services.
It is clear that Mgt was not at all concerned with quality of service or the satisfaction of customers.
They felt that customers would be happy just because they were charged less.
In their eyes our jobs are nothing more than numbers on a spreadsheet.
This is also true of many American companies and the people who run them, however, they at least make some effort to make it sound like they are interested in more than the bottom line.
The Indian Mgt team didn't even make an effort to conceal their contempt.
I work for an "american company" its lower case because while there are three huge buildings in three different cities in India there is half a floor rented here in the US. There is no sign on the outside of the building...a company with 65,000 employees and 500 of them here in America. The customer may love your contribution to their company but unless your tamil it means nothing.
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